. >> jackson? >> i guess it would be jackson. >> i think, yeah. one of five. >> it's a very big deal. it seems to me now -- and this goes to what john was just talking about -- how human they are. he is tired. it is incredibly emotional. so the question, then, is in this moment, does he become more open to humility, something mike's been talking about for a couple of days. does he become the humble figure who says, i heard you even if you voted against me. and we sometimes forget, these are men who run around realizing that virtually one out of every two people he sees doesn't want him to have the job he's got. >> right. zloo which >> which is an emotionally wearing thing, it would seem to me. does he draw strength from this? what does he learn from the first four years? and how long does this season of reflection really last when it hits the cold reality of dealing with what's coming up in december? >> and that is the thing to remember here, andrea, that as jon said, about half the country voted against him. and yet his victory was overwhelming w